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From: Steve Bonine

Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.action,comp.sys.next.misc,comp.sys.sgi.misc,rec.games.computer.doom.misc,alt.games.quake,rec.games.computer.doom.editing,rec.games.computer.doom.playing,alt.games.doom,alt.games.doom.ii,comp.sys.mac.games.action

Subject: CFV: rec.games.computer.quake.{announce,misc,editing}

Date: 20 Oct 1995 22:02:15 -0000

Organization: Usenet Volunteer Votetakers

Reply-To: Steve Bonine

Message-ID:

Archive-Name: rec.games.computer.quake

FIRST CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)

moderated group rec.games.computer.quake.announce

unmoderated group rec.games.computer.quake.editing

unmoderated group rec.games.computer.quake.misc

Newsgroups lines:

rec.games.computer.quake.announce Info/FAQ/Announcements about Quake (Moderated).

rec.games.computer.quake.editing Editing and hacking Quake-related files.

rec.games.computer.quake.misc General discussion of Quake.

Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 10 Nov 1995.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. Questions

about the proposed group should be directed to the proponent.

Proponent: Kyle R. Hofmann

Votetaker: Steve Bonine

RATIONALE: all groups

Although the game has not been released yet, it is expected to be very

successful, given the amount of discussion already present on several

newsgroups and mailing lists. The alt.games.quake newsgroup alone

gets an average of more than 1300 messages per month and has received

more than 5000 messages since its creation. Most of the Doom-related

or action games newsgroups and mailing lists get a large number of

messages about Quake.

The Usenet readership statistics for alt.games.quake are included

below. They show that, despite the low propagation of the group, it is

already getting a lot of traffic. The replacement of alt.games.quake

by new groups in the rec hierarchy would mean that more Quake players

will be able to take part in the discussion (for comparison purposes,

the average propagation of the rec.games.computer.doom.* newsgroups is

around 51%).

Estimated total number of people who read the group, worldwide.

| Actual number of readers in sampled population

| | Propagation: how many sites receive this group at all

| | | Recent traffic (messages per month)

| | | | Recent traffic (megabytes per month)

Month Rank V V V V V V V V

jul95 2506 4900 102 29% 1331 2.4 6% 0.13 0.2% alt.games.quake

may95 2792 9000 91 28% 977 1.7 6% 0.05 0.2% alt.games.quake

mar95 2547 7300 112 25% 507 0.8 5% 0.03 0.2% alt.games.quake

jan95 3095 2600 68 16% 309 0.6 8% 0.05 0.1% alt.games.quake

This first Request For Discussion proposes the creation of three

newsgroups. Other newgroups such as .playing, .multiplayer or .help

will be added later and will be part of a separate proposal, which will

be posted in November when more information about Quake is available.

These first three groups are proposed now in order to have them created

by the time Quake is released, thus preventing a flood of off-topic

messages in other newsgroups.

CHARTER: rec.games.computer.quake.announce

This is the only moderated group in this hierarchy. The sort of

postings likely to be approved by the moderator are general

announcements that are interesting to the broad spectrum of Quake

players. Examples of these types of articles are: anything from

id Software, FAQs and other periodical informational postings,

announcement of new levels or utilities, announcements of new

servers, reviews, etc.

The current moderator of rec.games.computer.doom.announce, Tony

Lezard, says that he would be happy to moderate this newsgroup

using the following addresses:

Submit: quake@mantis.co.uk

Contact: quake-request@mantis.co.uk (Tony Lezard)

CHARTER: rec.games.computer.quake.editing

Discussion in this group covers all aspects of editing and modifying

the game. Quake will be a highly customizable game and id Software

will release an editor which will allow people to create their own

universes and change the game in many ways. Additionally, lots of

third-party editors and utilities are expected to be released (some

of them have already been developed but will not be released before

Quake is available). Topics for this group will include: editors,

editing related questions and suggestions, playability issues, design

techniques, conversions of levels or objects to other formats.

Comments or questions about configuring a server or playing

user-written levels should not be posted here - post in .misc

instead (or in .playing when this group is created).

CHARTER: rec.games.computer.quake.misc

This group covers all topics that are not already covered by the

other groups in this hierachy. The range of topics will be very

broad at first, but will be reduced as other groups are created.

Examples include: playing standard or user-written levels, help about

playing the game or setting up a server, FTP issues, comparisons with

other games, piracy, etc.

This newsgroup replaces alt.games.quake.

END CHARTER.

MODERATOR INFO: rec.games.computer.quake.announce

Moderator: Tony Lezard

Administrative contact address: quake-request@mantis.co.uk

Article submission address: quake@mantis.co.uk

END MODERATOR INFO.

HOW TO VOTE:

You should send E-MAIL (posts to a newsgroup are invalid) to:

voting@ntrs.com

Check the address before you mail your vote. Your mail message must contain

one and only one of the following vote statements for each group:

I vote YES on rec.games.computer.quake.announce

I vote YES on rec.games.computer.quake.editing

I vote YES on rec.games.computer.quake.misc

I vote NO on rec.games.computer.quake.announce

I vote NO on rec.games.computer.quake.editing

I vote NO on rec.games.computer.quake.misc

You can also vote ABSTAIN or CANCEL. These votes are not counted in the

results, and CANCEL removes your name from the vote listing in the result.

If your mail software does not indicate your real name, you must include the

following statement and add your name (on the same line).

Voter name:

IMPORTANT VOTING PROCEDURE NOTES:

Standard Guidelines for voting apply. One person, one vote. Votes must be

mailed directly from the voter to the votetaker. Anonymous, forwarded or proxy

votes are not valid. Votes mailed by WWW servers are considered to be

anonymous votes.

Vote counting is automated. Failure to follow these directions may mean that

your vote does not get counted. If you do not receive an acknowledgment of

your vote within three days contact the votetaker about the problem. It's your

responsibility to make sure your vote is registered correctly. If you wish to

change your vote, simply vote again from the same account; duplicate votes are

resolved in favor of the most recent vote.

THIS IS NOT A SECRET VOTE. Names, addresses, and votes will be published in

a RESULTS article in the same newsgroups in which this CFV appears.

The purpose of a Usenet vote is to determine the genuine interest of persons

who would read a proposed newsgroup. Soliciting votes from disinterested

parties defeats this purpose. Please do not distribute this CFV. If you must,

direct people to the official CFV as posted to news.announce.newgroups.

Distributing pre-marked or edited copies of this CFV is vote fraud. When in

doubt, ask the votetaker.

DISTRIBUTION:

In addition to the groups named in the Newsgroups: header, the CFV

and the eventual RESULT posts will be mailed to the mailing lists:

quake-servers@ftp.idsoftware.com

doom-editing@nvg.unit.no

dooml@doomgate.cs.buffalo.edu

From: Steve Bonine

Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,rec.games.computer.doom.editing,rec.games.computer.doom.playing,alt.games.doom.ii

Subject: 2nd CFV: rec.games.computer.quake.{announce,misc,editing}

Date: 1 Nov 1995 01:31:34 -0000